Talk about Politicising

28 Nov

The first print converage that the Mumbai attacks comes hand-in-hand with a Front-page quarter advertisement from the BJP saying

Brutal Terror strikes at will.

Weak government
Unwilling and Incapable

Fight Teror, Vote BJP

I feel utterly sick. To think those people will govern again.


21 Responses to “Talk about Politicising”

  1. Firebolt November 29, 2008 at 12:45 pm #

    Are these politicians so callous that they won’t pause for a moment from their dirt-campaigning even in the wake of such a tragedy?

  2. janamejayan November 29, 2008 at 4:36 pm #

    Well, well! You are right if you do not want to admit that it is the Congress policy of appeasing the minorities and encouraging vote-bank politics, its policy of avoiding hardline approach to Islamic Jihadi terrorism and repeal of POTA, its policy of appeasing Pakistan instead of being stern with it, and its policy of wasting time on non-existent Hindu terror and so on have caused this miserable situation. This congress policy had seriously affected our admirable economic standing and much needed investment climate.

    Do you want the congress to continue to misgovern?

  3. janamejayan November 29, 2008 at 5:06 pm #

    Also the following news item says that the Congress did not lag behind in ‘cashing in’ on terrorism.

    “The BJP put out large ads in newspapers centred around the Mumbai attacks, and the Congress reciprocating with ads invoking instances of terrorism in the time of the NDA government: the Kandahar hijack and the Parliament and Red Fort attacks.”

  4. unsungpsalm November 29, 2008 at 6:04 pm #

    By all means, I would have been surprised if the BJP had NOT cashed in on this occurring, but what I’m appalled about is that they couldn’t even wait for a week!
    I mean, the crisis wasn’t even over yet. Far from over! It’s unethical enough to exploit tragedy. But can one not wait till the tragedy is over?
    It’s like storming into someone’s funeral and screaming “See? See? I told you so! If you had listened to me, he wouldn’t be dead!” Aren’t we missing a small factor here? It’s a funeral, not a court trial!

    And as for your counter-accusations, Congress has based it’s ideology to “secularity”. Yes, I’m sure their ideology actually means “Non-hindus who are not swayed towards the BJP because of its saffron ideology, please vote for us”. An ideology that would’ve been defunct if the BJP didn’t pursue one that was so communal. Hardly a few months into power and people were running around burning churches in Karnataka. BJP saffronized Karnataka overnight! There was hardly any effort by the govt. to curb the violence, because that would equal going against the people who voted them to power, wouldn’t it? And no, you would not know what the situation was like over here. You would have to live here to know. I live here. I know.
    As for Pakistan, it’s Vajpayee who sowed the seeds in his last 2 years in power. The congress has no special affinity towards that country. Nor does the BJP for that matter. But on his part, Vajpayee took a positive step. It isn’t nice to live on hostile terms with every country neighbouring yours. We have to learn to co-exist.

    Besides, I doubt that this terrorist act was a Thanksgiving Present from the people of Pakistan. Ask the Pakistani public to vote on the matter, and I’m pretty sure they’d condemn such a massacre. Which goes for their government as well.

    And investment climate? Economic standing? I’m sorry to inform you that I really really doubt India has the capacity to lead economically. You know why? Because Indians don’t have the capacity to lead in any domain whatsoever.
    We complain, we bicker, we point fingers. The only thing that works in our favour at the moment is that we have cheap labour. People willing to do a job for cheaper than the next one. Which is true for China too, except that those people know how to listen. We only know how to blab. Is THAT going to help us reach for the skies? Indians, however modern, are and will remain regressive in thought, and unless we plan to change that, we’re doing ourselves no good.

    The only development, economic or social, that is happening in this country is because of the young guns who’re working away in Bangalore, Bombay, Delhi etc. And guess what. They have no faith in this country’s people either… all they can hope for is that they’ll be left alone, and that the government will let them live their lives in peace.
    They do not speak on public fora, they do not vote in elections and frankly, they don’t give a damn what the rest of the population of this country decides to do with itself as long as it does not interfere in their peaceful existence.
    And frankly, the only Indians one can admire are these young ones because with all their apathy towards the salient “issues and agendas” that the different sections of our society are pursuing today, they’re the only ones who’re doing it any good.

    As for the misrule, by all means go ahead and blame the congress rule for terrorism in the country. Time will tell how much any government had anything to do with forces that are beyond our control.

  5. Ghazala Khan November 29, 2008 at 6:47 pm #

    Homegrown terrorism is an alarming and very chilling idea. No country likes to believe that violent and armed insurgency and militancy has taken root in its backyard. Countries tend to put the matters at the back burner for as long as possible. India is ignoring the terrorists of RSS, BJP and Bajrang Dal for too long, and now it’s the time for the them to pay back. The recent attack in Mumbai sprouts from within India and is a reaction of Babri Mosque, Gujarat Massacre and scores of other terrorist attacks on Muslims across India.

  6. unsungpsalm November 29, 2008 at 6:56 pm #

    Cannot say how much I agree or disagree with that comment! To be honest, it’s a bit threatening. Not to mention, factually disputable.

    But yes, Babri Masjid, Gujarat. Small examples of what I meant when I said (in my previous post) that we’ve failed as a society.

  7. janamejayan November 29, 2008 at 9:05 pm #


    I am no fan of BJP but I should tell you that they are right in taking out the advt. as there was an election in about half a dozen States. In a democracy you take the matter to the people when they decide and NOT after they have decided. The election results will show how the people feel about all you and the Congress have said and performed. The biggest gift of a democracy is that we can question. Otherwise it will become an autocratic world where people are killed for different faith, disagreement etc. Examples, whole Muslim world where they rule, Soviet Union, China, Comodia etc. etc.

    As far as the economics of India vs the world is concerned, you may not know it but the wrold knows that it is a giant to recon with.

  8. unsungpsalm November 29, 2008 at 10:31 pm #

    Yes, it is a giant. 1.14 billion strong. And still growing.
    However, you’re a bit confused. This is not a battle between McCain and Obama.

    Our elections reflect the performance of a government? Not in the next decade, at least. Politics here scarcely knows ethics. Franchise only belongs in the books.

    Where did the Feel Good factor take the BJP 5 years ago? Was there any logic in the decision the people took then?
    What about the current Delhi govt.? Has the government done wrong in any way? Has there been any misgovernment in the city? Delhi is supposed to be the most advanced city in the country at the moment, in terms of infrastructure and facilities. Of course, most of the people are trash in comparison with their counterparts in the rest of the country, but changing that would be beyond the scope of the government.
    BRT? Should we never have a developed public transport system? Could anyone have done any better with a million screeching South-Delhites screeching because they didn’t want their luxury-car comfort to be compromised on so that a budgeted student or an ordinary worker could conveniently access that part of the city 5 years from now?

    The biggest gift of democracy is that we can question.
    But there’s hardly any democracy in India.

  9. janamejayan November 30, 2008 at 10:25 am #

    Please read the following thought provoking articles from two of my friends both of whom worked as senior bureaucrats in the Central Govt.

  10. janamejayan November 30, 2008 at 10:46 am #

    Also you have raised a good question: “Where did the Feel Good factor take the BJP 5 years ago? Was there any logic in the decision the people took then?”

    I studied this trend on not just what happened in our country but on what happened in many democracies as to how people vote in the elections. Just to show you an example, the Clinton Govt. did extremely good to the people but people decided to elect George Bush instead of Al Gore!

    The answer I find is: people elect on the basis of who they think could improve their future and not on basis of any govt’s past performance. I am not saying they are right in such assumptions. I think it is the promises that strike a chord with the people. If past plays any role it does so only negatively. I think Al Gore lost because people somehow wanted to disapprove Clinton’s playboy role. Vajpayee lost because many Hindus had stayed off the election because they were disappointed with his unkept and wilful ignoring of his promise to them. You should remember Vajpayee got elected on Hindutva plank and the same Hindus consigned him to the dustbin of history even though economically his admin was better.

    Yet democracy is better for the alternative is worse!

  11. unsungpsalm November 30, 2008 at 11:20 pm #

    The alternative isn’t necessarily the worse every time, it seems. China seems to be doing just fine. Much better than we are, in every possible way too.
    But I’m not saying that I’d want an emulation of China here. I like democracy. I love democracy. It’s just that I would equate almost any European nation with democracy, but not India. Democracy is intelligent. India is illiterate.

    I’m sorry but both the articles you posted sound politically motivated, which takes away their credibility.
    I agree with you on one point. That there should have been a proper substitute of POTA. Again, I repeat, a “substitute” and not POTA itself. Having read up on that law, I do agree that in a country like India, that law is nothing but a disaster. POTA is to politicians what weapons would be to terrorists. It simply cannot do.

    Yes, there should’ve been alternative mechanism in place. But then, I doubt any kind of mechanism could have prevented this attack. It was too well organised and orchestrated.
    I also disagree that we can prevent such occurring in the future through any sort of law, unless it was another POTA and was used to arrest every muslim in the country.
    As for the assertions made in one of those write-ups about the entire “Hindu terror” issue having drawn away the attention of the ATS from other form of terrorism is concerned, that sounds a bit too fantastical as well. There is no smoke without fire. Because it existed, Hindu terror drew our attention. Yes, it is very much there and it will keep contributing to the chaos that is bound to ensue in the country in the years to come, irrespective of who is at the central government.

    If the BJP comes to power and manages to douse terrorism, that’s fantastic. I couldn’t be happier. If it comes at the ghastly cost of complete saffronization of the country, well so be it. I’ll only be motivated to take flight sooner.

  12. unsungpsalm November 30, 2008 at 11:28 pm #

    Oh, and a valid question or two…

  13. Rambunctious WhipperSnapper December 1, 2008 at 12:46 am #

    @BJP Dude …

    I’m not getting into your debate but please don’t try to talk about something you don’t know. i.e. American Politics. It’s not that simple. Al Gore actually won the election. So please use another example.

    Cheers …..

  14. janamejayan December 1, 2008 at 2:55 am #

    Dear Ram etc.,

    You may be right but not completely. It was Al Gore who presiding over the senate certified that he did not win!! Again you are wrong! I am not BJP or Congress or Communist or anything else. I say what I feel like, that is all. Above all I am an Indian and I love my heritage. If anyone has a problem with it I can’t help it.


    If you keep brushing aside every sane argument as politically motivated, there must be some political outfit that benefits from such an attitude. We have to, therefore, talk on facts brushing aside the overtones. Otherwise we would lose the point.

    Coming to the topic of democracy, India is not a true democracy for it does not treat all citizens equally even after 60 years of independence. They should do away with the policy of reservations that militates against the equality of citizens. But the politicians won’t because it helps vote-bank politics.

    This country has different laws for different religions. If you are a Muslim you can have four wives and umpteen number of live-ins. Article 370 relating to Kashmir creates state within the State. Political parties, instead of contesting all seats as in other democracies, form opportunistic alliances and function like mafia. This frankenstein democracy was given birth to by the Congress Party. We have to do away with this monster embedded in the constitution for true democracy to function. That should be our struggle.

  15. unsungpsalm December 1, 2008 at 7:54 am #

    *Janamejayan (Whatever does that mean?!?!)
    India without reservations? Chaotic. I personally feel that the economically backward need a push to come up to a standard. The way matters stand, reservation in educational institutions is somewhat necessary. Why? Because no government can go to every village (and there must be some 5 million of them?) to ensure that the standards are up to the mark. Thus, if some students can manage admission into renowned institutions and be helped to catch up, there’s nothing wrong with that.
    The manner in which reservation is implemented in this country is resoundingly horrible, I do not deny it. But removing it altogether would be absolutely suicidal. It may or may not be because of vote-bank politics, but reservation by itself has to stay, there are no two ways about it.

    Naturally, I don’t believe in introducing more reservation at the cost of quality of education, reducing General seats etc. What Arjun Singh did was required (and the court upheld the decision too) but he needn’t have rushed it so much but done it in phases.

    Citizens in India are not equal. Some are rich and some are poor, and the disparity between the two is humongous. That needs to be bridged to take the nation forward, and frankly, I don’t think the wealthy ones care too much about helping the poor, possibly because there are so many of them.

    Yes, a uniform civil code is needed. I don’t know why it wasn’t implemented thus far, whether it be the BJP rule or Congress. I suppose it’s too difficult because of “our heritage”. Each is far too different from the other.
    As for Kashmir, I don’t think there’s a need for a state within a state. I think that it can be done away with altogether. I’ve voiced my sentiments on the matter over here (

    And as for expecting every party to contest seats in every constituency, that too is unrealistic. We are heading towards a 2-party democracy but are light years from getting there (which seems to be evident from the rise of Mayawati in recent months). The reason for that is that India is not one country, but many small countries. There’s one small Maharashtran country, and a small Gujrati country and a Bengali one and a Punjabi one and a Bihari one and Kannidiga one and Tamil one… Each wants to be ruled by a party that understands and addresses that region’s issues. That’s how it has always been, in the case of the Princely states that existed. As we modernise (painfully slowly, at the present rate) we may break free from those trends and maybe regional parties would dissolve into either BJP or Congress, but that is not and cannot happen now.

    And yes, the congress did a lot of nasty horrendous things in the past 50 years or so. Unlike you, I am 20 years old. I do not know what all they did back then. I only understand the present, because I believe in living in the present.
    I think that the BJP is communally motivated, and its presence would be divisive. I think that the RSS is integral to the functioning of the BJP, and the RSS has a horrific agenda. This is the same BJP that my entire family worships and supports… I’m the only Congress supporter (or rather, BJP-opposer) in the family, so these are not internal biases that are speaking. But I believe everyone in this country who is 40+ is hell-bent on looking into the past, and not at the present or into the future. Which is why I wish the right to vote could be taken away from people at the age of 40!

    All saffron parties are socially regressive. The congress is too, but not half as much. It cannot do as much damage as the BJP has already done. As for terrorism, well, I don’t think that can be curbed by any act of legislation. One has to increase vigil. I believe our police force is more renowned for sitting and nursing their massive bellies than going out there and keeping vigil. Our few specialised agencies can only be called in when there is an emergency situation… in other words, when it’s too late.

    I don’t think any party can do extensive damage to the growth of our economy, unless they take drastic steps intent on doing exactly that. That’s why my only concern remains for the situation of the society here… which I wouldn’t put into the hands of a Hinutva organisation.
    I don’t think the Congress would appease to 13% of the population and turn away the remaining 80% for the purpose of winning an election. If I remember correctly, you need more than 13% votes to win an election.

  16. Rambunctious WhipperSnapper December 1, 2008 at 4:38 pm #

    @non-BJP, non-paritsan, whatfuckingever,

    Okay. Al Gore did preside over the senate session but the election had been decided by then.

    Also, when you say “Again you are wrong” … When was I wrong the first time? For me to be wrong again, I have to be wrong on a specific previous occasion. And in the interest of fairness, let me say that I wasn’t wrong on BOTH the occasions. One, which didn’t actually happen even though you accuse me of it and two, when you say I don’t know about American Politics. Dude, I know more about American politics than more than anybody in India. Except the American ambassador and Shashi Tharoor.

    Al Gore won the popular vote by a margin of 5,00,000. It would have been more if the UNCOUNTED Florida votes would have been bought into play. If they were, the twenty five electoral votes would have gone to Gore and he would have won the election.

    Now since you’ve drawn me into it, Vajpyee wasn’t just elected on Hindutva. That was the first 13-day government. Vajpyee was elected on TINA i.e. There-is-no-alternative. And Kargil. And Nukes.

    Again, I haven’t read any of your or Unsungji’s (@USP, that makes you sound so desi n shit) arguments, and neither am I interested. That is because of the simple reason that I have a life and all politicians are schmucks.


  17. Lavanya December 2, 2008 at 11:58 am #

    Ghazala Khan

    I beg to disagree that the recent attack was home grown and was a reaction to babri masjid or Gujarat massacre. Terrorism is global and every oppertunity they get to hit a soft target like India which is a secular country they will attack. They are not guided by any reason and logic.Mindless killing of people can hardly be termed as a “logical reaction” to anything.In Mumbai attack so many Muslims have been killed so exactly whom were these terrorists trying to “protect”? In our country there have been atrocities on both Hindus and Muslims, this is a grave problem which has to be tackled. As long as we allow the politicians to encash religion based vote bank this prob will not come to an end. An eye for an eye has never resolved anything nor will it resolve the Hindu-Muslim conflict.

  18. janamejayan December 4, 2008 at 7:07 am #

    Dear Unsung,

    I am glad that as a youngster you are taking keen interest in our society. I greatly appreciate your sense of belonging. Your long years of future is ahead of you. You will be learning a lot from experience and study during this time and find your roots go deeper and deeper which makes the edifice stronger and stronger. Many opinions of yours would change but there will always be wisdom embedded in those opinions. I am sure you would be spreading them for the good of the society.

    Wishing you all the best!


  19. unsungpsalm December 4, 2008 at 5:49 pm #

    Oh, errr… I suppose we can drink to that :S


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